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:The fact Rare says he got "killed off" makes me think they like actually killed him [[User:Kaptain Skurvy|Kaptain Skurvy]] ([[User talk:Kaptain Skurvy|talk]]) 21:15, June 14, 2025 (UTC) | :The fact Rare says he got "killed off" makes me think they like actually killed him [[User:Kaptain Skurvy|Kaptain Skurvy]] ([[User talk:Kaptain Skurvy|talk]]) 21:15, June 14, 2025 (UTC) | ||
::Either way, I strongly believe that shouldn't have happened. [[User:Gstar|Gstar]] ([[User talk:Gstar|talk]]) 21:16, June 14, 2025 (UTC) | ::Either way, I strongly believe that shouldn't have happened. [[User:Gstar|Gstar]] ([[User talk:Gstar|talk]]) 21:16, June 14, 2025 (UTC) | ||
== Two tales == | |||
The existence of this wiki makes me feel there are two tales to be told: one of the Super Mario Wiki and another of the Donkey Kong Wiki. There's some dark and hard history that occurred in 2018-2022. You came around into the wiki space quite late, so I feel I need to provide some history. Huge tl;dr alert. | |||
In 2018, Porplemontage was hosting a Donkey Kong Wiki that was forked from Fandom in 2010 because the community there didn't like the interface change still present on Fandom to date. There was a community consensus from both the DK Wiki and the Super Mario Wiki to merge all ''Donkey Kong'' content into Super Mario Wiki -- that's why I nickname them "Super Mergist Wiki." My alias at the time was Atari Jaguar, and more infamously Results May Vary. People were merging the content, right? But they weren't doing it the right way. So I made exceptional effort over the course of several months to ensure every scrap be integrated into the Super Mario Wiki properly so that nothing would be lost. Deep down, I always knew it felt wrong, but all my peers supported integrating Donkey Kong Wiki into Super Mario Wiki. | |||
Now I was mostly inactive in the mid-2010s, with a focus on web archival. When Fandom announced they were getting rid of MonoBook skin (basically, the way the wiki looks), that made me furious, that being the wiki skin used by the Super Mario Wiki and having this irreplaceable sentiment attached to it. It seemed like an attack on wikis everywhere. I felt I needed to become part of the independent wiki scene to have representation for some franchises that did not, like ''Conker'', and expand upon the struggling wikis like ''Kirby'' and ''Star Fox''. I was hoping for a renaissance because seemed that for a few years, no real activity was ongoing with expanding upon the independent wiki representation. More than that, with my love for Rare'''ware''', I wanted to do wikis in a way with close attention to detail and stuff so one could feel that similar essence. | |||
I was blindsided in a way to what others wanted. I basically wanted the Super Mario Wiki format (i.e. article layout, templates, wiki skin, everything) on every single wiki and projected it on to everyone else because I assume they wanted that as well. If others opposed, I wanted them kicked out, because I thought, "Well the only other idea must suck then, right? This is the format that pretty much everyone who likes these games would want." Now not to mention that there's a lot of unfriendly people on Discord (which I used to be on years back). | |||
Conker Wiki was founded because I wanted to try and see how well I could do at making a wiki ground-up. I think I was aware that forking required consulting a community, and there wasn't any there, so I got to work. It was on ShoutWiki at the time but moved to Grifkuba in April 2019. | |||
''Banjo-Kazooie'' seemed like an easier task because a SmashWiki admin was staff of the Fandom wiki. We were able to fork it properly for that reason, and we had Jiggywikki set up by around Oct 2018. Admittedly, I never liked the site name, design, or logo, and that was decided by that staff member, not me. I've always wanted Jiggywikki to be exactly like [https://www.bkwiki.info/ this] (a separate wiki that I host for Scoot, alongside [https://www.yoshipedia.com/ Yoshipedia], an old Miraheze wiki of mine that I resurrected for her). There's some other stuff that came about, like Crash Bandicoot Wiki and Spyro Wiki, but I'm talking about mainly Super Mario Wiki here. | |||
In December 2018, a problem occurred when Zelda Wiki was sold from Gamepedia to Fandom. To clarify, they were zeldawiki.org first, then zelda.gamepedia.com in March 2017. There was a lot of controversy and division. Some months later, when it was stated that they would not be forking, me and a few others were working on doing a separate ''The Legend of Zelda'' wiki. That's how [https://triforcewiki.com/ Triforce Wiki] came to be. I showed it to NIWA, thinking they'd be glad, but they were uptight and upset because they were defensive and emotionally sensitive over their founding member and decided to give special status. I tried to stop Zeldapedia and Zelda Wiki from merging just because I thought that the latter was taking advantage of the former because that'd mean over a decade of content would be shut down and not maintained by any community, putting them at the complete mercy of Zelda Wiki. Despite me truly wanting to do the right thing, one NIWA staff member encouraged others to "severe ties" with me, and I unloaded on his talk page with tons of slurs, swears, and other insults. This is when about half the independent wiki community turned against me. | |||
The inversion of logic was crazy, and I cited the contradiction of their core values and their inability to give any form of rational reasoning behind a Fandom wiki in their alliance. There was also discussions of votes a few times over ZW's status in NIWA, as if zelda.fandom.com as a URL wasn't indicative enough, though none ever occurred. NIWA was a centralized body putting the wiki space behind with inflexibility and demonization of me trying to do what was practical and make things right with the issue of hypocrisy and flagrant contradiction of NIWA's core values by being a member of the alliance. | |||
I mainly didn't like how the mismanagement and apathy of NIWA for seemingly endless months was going to affect the integrity of the Super Mario Wiki, so I hoped the community that I forked to would be the one to make a difference. It seemed SMW had more autonomy as well because they formed this culture in the 2000s and didn't always have the NIWA identity, so I assumed deep down everyone wanted to return to that. Because [http://web.archive.org/web/20071022025909/http://mariowiki.com/Main_Page these days] seemed irresistible and present the idea of community independence with visible passion in the site design, the spirit, and colorful graphics. | |||
Next few years, I was developing wikis, with that drama and division still intact. Part of what pushed me to do several wikis is because I wanted the true spirit of independence to be preserved, and that I felt NIWA was a threat to it and was aiming to replace the spirit of old culture, like that 2007 Super Mario Wiki snapshot shown the previous paragraph. A thought was maybe somewhere down the line, the Super Mario Wiki would want to be with more like-minded wikis and assert themselves as independent by upholding the integrity of their wikis. | |||
I think about once every few months, I was picking fights with random people on Discord. I tended to try and set up "bait" where I'd say some wildly offensive stuff and be a jerk to random people. The bad people who all hated me when I began to try and visibly do something about Zelda Wiki, I wanted to find ways to get them to act out, like from "mean words." | |||
Spring 2022 was the end of that era. Aside from being driven crazy by conspiracy theories, it was already like two and a half years since zelda.fandom.com was NIWA and nothing occurred. I resorted to ultimatums by that point. I was an extreme mega-jerk to someone, gossiped about them, and tried to use that as a skin suit to go at NIWA and had this attitude of, "Oh, look at me I'm truly the baddie now bcuz I care about logic yet I demonized a person and treated them like absolute garbage. Justice army, assemble!" | |||
There was definitely some consequences and backlash for my actions--but NOT from NIWA staffers who hated me ever since I tried to fix the ''Zelda'' situation. I lost valuable friendships, and the person's friends were furious at me within reason. My friends list was dropping like flies. Perhaps you would have as well, but since the event is largely irrelevant and you weren't part of the emotional hurricane going in those circles at the time, there may not be as much motive to. | |||
Ultimately, I got mass-demoted from Grifkuba wikis, like [https://conkerwiki.com/wiki/Special:Log?type=rights&user=&page=&wpdate=2022-03-10&tagfilter=&subtype=&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist Conker Wiki]. I stated that the two events didn't correspond, but I'm thinking the demotion was cover for Grifkuba always wanting the real control over the wikis I handed to them. They act like it's theirs, or the "community's" (and the mentality of the community in the independent wiki scene is absolutely zero like mine). | |||
So what did compel NIWA to start an attack toward me? Well, a month later, I made [https://www.mariowiki.com/MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/58#Remove_Zelda_Wiki_as_an_interwiki_link this proposal]. It was scary doing it early on, but from the thing I did that made my friends dislike me, I felt there was nothing to lose at this point. I thought I would be smug and make a proposal about making zeldawiki not an interwiki link, since Fandom is already interwiki'd within the wiki software. As you can see there, my vote was struck out and I was [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User%3AResults+May+Vary permabanned] for stuff I never did on the SMW itself. I was shown screenshots before of being demonized by a staffer on SMW publicly, where they tried to justify banning me and called me a terrible person--not to defend the person but to try and get rid of me once and for all. It was all about selfish motives about preserving their status among like-minded people. | |||
It's one thing to type it all, but it's another thing to have lived it from my perspective. To have done all that work on the merge to the Super Mario Wiki and even create several wikis in their style and then be repaid like it was nothing in the end, regardless of what I may have done, is awful. A big reason why this wiki exists AND has a different content license is because I strongly regret ever playing along with merging the former Donkey Kong Wiki into the Super Mario Wiki. It wasn't the wiki I hosted, so I had not say over that, but putting all that exceptional work into helping add the content on the Super Mario Wiki was the major regret. | |||
With that said, I left Discord for good, not only because I strongly regret what I did and wanted to prove over time that I would never do what I did again, but it was also for my personal safety because a few were trying to bait me into posting on a thread somewhere to make drama worse for myself and others. Leaving Discord was the best choice I've ever made in my life, and wikis that I host will never be associated with Discord, X, or any other major social networking website, because I reject highly centralized and concentrated social platforms where all the communities are stitched together with little breathing room for their own identity because one community's drama or gossip bleeds over into the next almost immediately. | |||
So what's been happening with me these past three years? Well, the biggest thing is that history did a turnaround, where I'm actually now in charge of zelda.fandom.com. To preserve its lenience toward offsite wikis, I even consulted Fandom staff for permission to link to a few non-forks on the [https://zelda.fandom.com/ front page], with this wiki being one of them: my reasoning was that it was to increase the availability of the GFDL, which other Fandom wikis could not easily provide for. A few wikis that I now host have the merit of being officially recognized on the front page of zelda.fandom.com, and this Donkey Kong Wiki is one of them! | |||
Ever since I was told to move on from the Super Mario Wiki, me and that site have continued in opposite directions. I'll try and remain neutral while describing, even if it may look like advertising. For me, I do extreme wiki scopes, like the "complete ''Donkey Kong'' franchise" plus ''Banjo-Kazooie'' and ''Conker'' here. Meanwhile, the Super Mario Wiki wants to be strictly "''Super Mario''," reducing loads of their ''Super Smash Bros.'' coverage and having made these crossover pages, probably to try and encourage editors and readers to help other NIWA wikis. Even the participation factor is different: I host wikis where I assert myself as proprietor, since I'm paying for monthly hosting, and I have to manually approve whoever wants to register and even edit, since I don't want to be bothered by random things by others or have several people try to change policy, site layout, or other factors with subversive intent. Meanwhile, the Super Mario Wiki is for those who want a wider scale community, and while there's less editing freedom, it's for participation in community discussions, proposals, and other forms of socialization. | |||
The most relevant difference, I think, is that SMW is getting more with the times, with a site interface reminiscent of what you'd see on like a Nintendo official website. Meanwhile, I aim for the classic fansite passion approach from around 2 decades ago, like in that 2007 Super Mario Wiki snapshot in the Wayback Machine. I've been trying to diversify with that to the best of my ability, and most recently, that's appeared in the form of me starting a video-game wiki with no content license whatsoever, [https://www.gamerpedia.me/ Gamerpedia], where either all of the content and templates are done from the ground up or are reused from sources without a license or reuse terms (the images there may be from elsewhere, as fair use, but I'm trying to not rely on wikis for images too much because others could get suspicious of low-key reuse of their materials). The reason why there's no license is because many times people copy from sources like Wikipedia without giving credit, as the terms of reuse may not always be evident, and I'm trying to remedy that by doing a license-free gaming resource. | |||
Sorry about the long message. It's a lot of info, so it's difficult to summarize, but I hope you've learned some stuff along the way. [[User:Gstar|Gstar]] ([[User talk:Gstar|talk]]) 04:44, June 17, 2025 (UTC) | |||
